Technology

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Since Legend of Kora is going to be steampunk, can this be steampunk? The only difference that I have seen is that the builiding of four nations or whatever it's called wasn't built by Aang and Zuko, that and the avatar is different. So would the technology be the same, or would it be steampunk?

Subject: Re: Technology Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:08 pm

I don't have too many qualms against it, butwe could do for some sort of explanation as to the state of technology, given that this is an alternate storyline [it takes the place of Korra].

those are just my thoughts though.

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The non benders in the Air Temple. I Forget which one. They were the ones building the machines for the fire nation. They also built machines that non benders could use by use of limited steam. They probably enhanced everything over the the past eighty years, and since they are allied with the Earth Kingdom, you should have access to that technology. Of course, if others agree on it.

Subject: Re: Technology Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:46 am

I agree with Gysu, the EK has a small inlet from which it can create technology, however factories are more prevalent in the Fire Nation. The sheer amount of factories gives the Fire Nation an upper hand when it comes to technology, because we can design and manufacture way faster than any other nation in the world.

Subject: Re: Technology Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:15 am

but a lot can change in 80 years. Given how exposed parts of the Earth Kingdom has been to certain aspects of Fire Nation culture [such as in the colonies], I think that the Earth Kingdom would begin industrializing as well. I mean, they would definitely be the most efficient miners, since they could just bend the rocks away from the metal, even if they couldn't bend the metal itself. With those kinds of easy-to-reach resources, they could focus on making more machines for other purposes as opposed to machines to extract the metal or whatnot.

granted, I still believe without a shadow of a doubt that the Fire Nation is the mos technologically advanced, but don't think that the Earth Kingdom has remained stagnant either, especially given the mechanist "colony" up in the Northern Air Temple.

Subject: Re: Technology Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:05 pm

Meili wrote:: but a lot can change in 80 years. Given how exposed parts of the Earth Kingdom has been to certain aspects of Fire Nation culture [such as in the colonies], I think that the Earth Kingdom would begin industrializing as well. I mean, they would definitely be the most efficient miners, since they could just bend the rocks away from the metal, even if they couldn't bend the metal itself. With those kinds of easy-to-reach resources, they could focus on making more machines for other purposes as opposed to machines to extract the metal or whatnot.

granted, I still believe without a shadow of a doubt that the Fire Nation is the mos technologically advanced, but don't think that the Earth Kingdom has remained stagnant either, especially given the mechanist "colony" up in the Northern Air Temple.

I agree with everything you stated, its just you guys don't have factories, your major manufacturer is in the Northern Air Temple, so you have to overwork them in order to produce top notch mechanics. Granted you guys have great metal workings, but you have to send them to the NAT for production, they aren't made where the metal is purified.

Subject: Re: Technology Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:07 pm

that would only be under the assumption that we haven't built any factories at all in the last 80 years. I'm pretty sure that no country ever stagnates and does that though, which was where the basis of the EK building factories would then come from.

Subject: Re: Technology Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:10 pm

Meili wrote:: that would only be under the assumption that we haven't built any factories at all in the last 80 years. I'm pretty sure that no country ever stagnates and does that though, which was where the basis of the EK building factories would then come from.

It's hard to replicate the same kind of mechanics that the Northern Air Temple has, since they are not technically apart of your kingdom, they are apart of their own little monopoly on the NAT. The quality of mechanics are therefore dependent on the NAT, the EK can have small factories but the metalwork can't rival the NAT's. Thus you guys may have rudamentary technology compared to the FN, however the NAT might be on par with us. What I'm try to say in a nutshell, is that your factories in the EK cannot match the FN's ones, but the NAT is your best factory therefore you ought to rely on it more than your own.

Subject: Re: Technology Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:10 pm

the NAT is occupied by Earth Kingdom citizens. Unless they decided to post big KEEP OUT signs around their perimeter, we could get them to share their technology with the rest of the kingdom, and therefore have access to that knowledge.

That, and 80 years is plenty of time to build factories and industrialize and all that. the NAT is where it originated of course, but it doesn't have to stay solely at its source for it to be used.

Granted, the Fire Nation was on top of all this ages ago, so even with the Earth Kingdom having factories and the likes, the Fire Nation would still be ahead by virtue of the head start they've had for ages. I'm just saying that the EK does not only have the one technological outlet at the NAT. that's all.

Subject: Re: Technology Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:05 pm

Meili wrote:: that would only be under the assumption that we haven't built any factories at all in the last 80 years. I'm pretty sure that no country ever stagnates and does that though, which was where the basis of the EK building factories would then come from.

If you read my post I'm saying that the ek has factories but not at fire nation level. The air temple is your only factory at fn level.

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So, yes or no on the steampunk?

Subject: Re: Technology Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:22 pm

I'm so down with steampunking the society, although I think we need to keep it on a seriously moderated level - it's so easy to become overdone and "kooky" when you're talking about AU-Victorian technology, and that's just not something the Korra-verse implies. The episodes we've seen are more practical and down-to-earth with their technology.

Word of God has it that the technology in Korra advanced so rapidly because of Zuko's close partnership with Aang and Kuei. If you take that and follow the typical progression of developing nations, we can assume that there was a sharing of ideas between the then-advanced gadgetry of Aang's traditional airbenders (gliding staves), Zuko's clearly industrialized nation, and the Earth Kingdom's ability to conceive on a grand pastoral scale (no other nation was working on anything close to the size and complexity of Ba Sing Se). We can also assume that Aang remembered the Earth Kingdom refugees living in the Air Temple and came to seek their assistance: they were working pretty hard on the kookily steampunk already.

From the first couple episodes, we can see the results of cultures melding. But speculating, again, from the typical progression of developing nations, everyone has clearly defined purposes.

The Fire Nation would still be the industrializing one, the major manufacture capitol - I wouldn't be surprised to find cars, wire, etc. being made there.

The Earth Kingdom is the breadbasket, and necessary in that aspect; not to say that they're all bumbkin farmers, but that's where the majority of bloody near everything that's grown and raised gets...grown and raised. No other Kingdom has the sheer size or ability to produce food for everyone else on the scale required.

Air, rebuilding nation that they are, are the historians - I've no doubt that they've got the legend down straight from the Avatar, and their nomadic lifestyle means that they're more likely to gather such stories and keep them safe in their culture.

And the Water Tribes would be the fisheries, responsible for distributing the wealth of their waters to the rest of the world, usually comprised of food and medicine development. Giving their healing abilities, I also wouldn't be surprised to find the Water Tribes the most medically advanced as well.

That is, if we decide to couple Avatar-verse knowledge with real-world speculation. If we're abandoning all that, then ignore this textwall. x=

EDIT: Also sorry for necro'ing. I didn't even look at the date before I posted.

Subject: Re: Technology Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:42 pm

One thing to note regarding radical technology advancement:

Technology advancement hasn't been factored into any of the current RP. Shifting the tech level means you may yet need to restart the entire RP environment and structure it around the new ideals. What use is bending if firearms are prominent? Why learn an ancient art which requires significant discipline when a simple flintlock can kill just as efficiently and with longer range?

This is, naturally, only factoring in a combat scenario. Basic logistical differences, as well as the rise of industrialized farming, could both be scene to radically restructure both economic and political playing fields. What use if there for a feudal style lord when your average citizens are demanding political representation and have significant spending power and influence to enforce their opinions?

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Another thing, if we were to go ahead and make this a Steampunk instead of the true Victorian Age stuff that Kora is showing. How far can we say that this technology is developed?